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#74 - When an unstoppable force hits an immovable object - Nov 05, 2005, 05:20 PM
#75 - Common misperceptions about the mechanism of evolution - Nov 13, 2005, 09:40 AM
#76 - The abusive tenacity of the ethereally-empowered ego - Nov 13, 2005, 10:15 AM
#77 - What exactly do religions teach their followers these days? - Nov 13, 2005, 10:23 AM
#78 - Religion is the roadblock to peace - Nov 13, 2005, 10:32 AM
#79 - Waking the sleeping giant - Nov 13, 2005, 10:37 AM
#80 - The withdrawal symptoms of the 'faith' narcotic - Nov 13, 2005, 10:50 AM
#81 - A detailed explanation of evolution - Nov 13, 2005, 11:02 AM
#82 - Candle-blowing - Nov 13, 2005, 11:06 AM
#83 - 'Species' continued - Nov 26, 2005, 09:55 AM
#84 - How to best deal with religion and loved ones - Nov 26, 2005, 10:09 AM
#85 - Little bit of everything - Nov 26, 2005, 10:17 AM
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#72 - Mythbusting - October 29, 2005, 01:43 PM |
Mr. Siderain wrote back:
> I remembering somone mentioning the shroud of turin as being an article of proof that god and what not is real, Jesus is the son of god yadda yadda. Well anyway my reading mentioned that the shorud was carbon-14 dated to test its age (And for all you out there who dont know better, C-14 dating is perfectly accurate) and they found that it only dated back to the Medieval period, and that it was merely a forgery to increase piety. Just a little interesting something I think people should see.
Thank you for this mythbuster. To supplement, I've said it before, there is one sure-fire way to determine the validity of evidence that supports the existence of ethereal beings...the evidence is 'always' either mistakenly or purposely misinterpreted, or manufactured by humans. There simply are no ethereal beings.
> Good work Mr. Sinjin
Thanks for your support,
Sean Sinjin
{All letters from this contributor: 3.34, 3.42, 5.66, 6.72, 6.79, 7.93, 8.113, 14.177}
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#73 - Is BetterHuman.org 'qualified' to dismiss the notion of ethereal beings? - October 29, 2005, 01:47 PM |
Mr. Loophost wrote:
> I came by your site by accident and wonder how you can deny Gods existences? simply because you cant see God or except another higher intelligence beside man.
This, and most of your other questions, has been extensively answered in this weblog. Please give it a read.
> You simply dismiss any spiritual event, either from God or from any other source. After ridiculing an event which happened in a church service.
If you are referring to the ridiculous event of 'speaking in tongues', I believe I was quite fair in exposing it for the fraud it was. Please be very skeptical of people that claim ethereal abilities that are inherently non-verifiable.
> I wonder what qualifications you have to judge that God doesn't exist and His inability to relate to people as He chooses? Or is the notion of accepting God, take away from mans ability to be in control of his own destiny.
My friend, these questions don't make sense from my perspective. I sincerely do not mean to ridicule you but let me rephrase these questions for you into the same form that I perceive them, and see if you can give me an intelligible answer:
"What qualifications do you have to judge that the Tooth Fairy doesn't exist, and her inability to relate to people as she chooses? Or does the notion of accepting the Tooth Fairy take away from our ability to control our own destiny?"
The above questions have exactly the same meaning to me as your questions. You see, there's no way for me to give a meaningful answer to questions that make assumptions I do not share with you. Do you have qualifications to dismiss the existence of the Tooth Fairy? Do you believe the Tooth Fairy controls your destiny? None of these questions make any sense no matter which mythological creature you stick in the equation.
Ask yourself, you've outgrown the Easter Bunny, you've outgrown Santa Claus, you've outgrown the Tooth Fairy, and yet you still believe in magical creatures in the sky that will give you eternal life? My friend, try to see the real reason why religions continuously foster this 'God' fear mechanism, it's to control you and take your resources of time, energy, and money. You don't need religion to be a moral and caring person, that's already built in by mother nature. My book, Meme, and the entire BetterHuman.org weblog can answer a great number of the questions that you may have.
Much respect,
Sean Sinjin
{All letters from this contributor: 6.73, 6.80, 7.86, 7.94, 8.103, 8.116, 9.124, 9.129, 10.139, 11.148, 11.157, 12.168, 13.172, 14.188, 15.192, 20.288}
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#74 - When an unstoppable force hits an immovable object - November 05, 2005, 05:20 PM |
Mr. Limbhour wrote back:
> I could sit here and go on the defensive about everything I've said. I know that's what you want me to do.
Absolutely, I do not. My friend, I have no value whatsoever in our engaging one another, simply because you refuse to accept anything I have to offer. I do not even wish to continue engaging, but out of respect for you, I keep entertaining the possibility at least one of us will benefit. So far I have not, and I feel you have not either. Does it make sense to continue?
> Honestly, I find myself more personally insulted when you state that my experiences and memories are more likely not my own. However, I know you speak with ignorance of my integrity, therefore I forgive you of that.
My friend, I appreciate your generosity, but my statements were meant to be helpful, not an insult to your integrity, and as such I have no need to ask for your forgiveness because no offence was intended. Your choosing to feel insulted is entirely your decision.
> You also said, "...your desire to 'reach out' to people like me is driven by your need to vindicate your perspective by increasing the number of advocates of it, ..." My friend, this is the very basis for BetterHuman.org and your book, is it not?
It truly is not. I do not need a single advocate of my philosophies to justify or strengthen my perspective. I have stood alone for a very long time and only lately have I found the motivation to try to help others. To explain the difference: your motives for recruitment are doubly selfish (reinforcement of your fantasy world, and gaining favor with your god), whereas my motivations are to selflessly help people break free of ethereal addictions, such as yours. And even if I cannot affect any difference in the world, well, I will still die forever, you will still die forever, and every other person on the planet, irregardless of their beliefs or desires, will also still die forever. BetterHuman.org's success will have no bearing upon this fulfillment of reality.
Also, BetterHuman.org does not 'recruit', we educate. No membership is required nor desired in order to fulfill the philosophies held within our perspective. And to even further separate us from comparison to the tyrannical power structure of religions, never will money from advocates of BetterHuman.org be demanded, or implied as such, under the guise of 'membership'. Reality is free for all.
> My God is perfect and just. He demands perfect justice, because he is perfectly just. This is the God that I know. Tell me, how can one man's vicarious torture and death pay the price for well more than a trillion people's sins (I'm talking everyone that has ever lived here in this equation, so do the math), and be deemed an acceptable payment? Logically, no it is not, "For the wages of sin is death," and the price is a "life for a life,..." One man's death is only worth another man's life, according to the Bible. You can easily agree with this logic, no?
The logic is sound only if the root assumption is true, and that always boils down to whether your mythological entity really exists or not; and since it does 'not' exist, then every single thing you have stated is false, just like a tree cannot exist without a trunk.
> The Bible also says salvation comes from God, and quite often, only from God. Just one of many examples:
This, and the rest of your extremely long letter, makes frequent references to the Bible as a source of 'logic', demonstrating a phenomenal dependency upon it to define your reality. The unfortunate part of this is that the Bible is nothing more than a man-made collection of fantasy, gross exaggerations of history, and creative agenda-driven license. An extremely poor resource for learning. To shackle yourself to this limited fantasy perspective out of the sheer need for its promise of immortality, is no less destructive than a heroin junkie's single driving need to perpetuate the abuse of their narcotic.
> Psalm 62:1 - "My soul waits in silence for God only; from Him is my salvation."
You've just taken a hit.
> ...claim to be Christians, yet openly and continually practice the abomination of homosexuality.
I think any reasonable definition of 'bullying' would encapsulate your above statement.
> most people whom receive their eternal salvation have no intentions of giving up that free gift, for it is the greatest gift they have ever received, hands down.
Heroin addicts rarely have the strength to face reality either.
> year, my belief in God consisted of one simple statement: "I believe there is a God." That was the entire core system of my beliefs.
Incorrect, your 'true' core is, "I want to live forever", and your god is nothing more than a tool that you manipulate with offerings of servitude in order to accomplish your desired immortality. You offer it your 'love' in exchange for that gift. Would you 'love' it if it condemned you to your hell? Of course not, simply because your love for it is based upon the receipt of your cherished immortality. Sorry to be so blunt, but you're just using your god for your own selfish needs.
> The answers I concluded were: evolution is mathematically impossible when you calculate the odds of probability for it to happen...Evolution isn't truth, and there is no evidence to show that it has become nothing more than the theory it has ever been.
I believe the Vatican itself has said otherwise. Please read the article entitled, "Vatican: Faithful Should Listen to Science" from my collection of news clippings.
> You think that I'm crazy, dellusional, perverted, destructive.
I don't see how 'perverted' was warranted, but I definitely would describe you as 'insane', not due to genetic pretense, but because of the environmental fouling that religion has imposed upon you. You are a very unfortunate victim of an ancient religious meme-virus; I have much pity for you because of how much you unwittingly suffer.
> Am I evil?
Most certainly not my friend; just terrified of life.
With respect,
Sean Sinjin
{All letters from this contributor: 5.62, 5.67, 5.68, 6.74, 6.76, 7.102}
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#75 - Common misperceptions about the mechanism of evolution - November 13, 2005, 09:40 AM |
Mr. Movebrace wrote:
> Let's look at mutations for a moment. Nearly all mutations are known for the defects or negative impacts they have on organisms. Even if a "good" mutation came about by random chance and time, the reality is that it is would be drowned out in a sea of harmful mutations (statisticians and geneticists say the odds are something like 1 good mutuation (or at least neutral mutation) to 1,000 harmful ones).
This is probably the most prevalent misperception of evolution theory. I'll explain: let's imagine we have a collection of 10 million cells in a dish, and let's say these cells divide (reproduce) every 12 hours. Now, there's only so much raw material (food) that we provide for this culture, just enough to sustain a maximum of 10 million cells; meaning that as they reproduce and try to add more to the population, the less efficient cells die of starvation. What we have created is an environment very similar to the Earth, in that the population's ability to multiply is limited by resources.
Now let's start adding evolution into the mix: let's give one of the cells a bad mutation, say an inability to absorb enough water and so it is shriveled up and has a hard time accumulating resources (food) to reproduce. This cell eventually dies, and the rest of the cells go on about their business.
Let's give another cell a bad mutation; this time say an inability to create a certain protein that assists in splitting (reproduction). This cell seems to work fine but the time comes when it needs to reproduce and it is unable to split itself in two. It continues to grow inside but because it can't split, it eventually bursts its cell wall and dies.
Now let's try something different, let try giving just one cell an extremely rare 'positive' mutation, say the ability to absorb nutrients faster than its predecessors. What happens now is that this cell can quickly 'eat' enough nutrients, much faster than the other cells, and effectively steals the food away from neighboring cells. Our new cell then reproduces (splits) and now these two new cells continue the cycle and grab all the food away from their neighbors, forcing them to starve. It may not seem like a big deal having 2 little cells in the middle of 10 million, but it's a sure bet that these newer cells are not going to starve because of their special mutation. What happens next? They continue reproducing and 2 become 4, 4 become 8, 16 32 64 128 250 500 1000 2000 4000 8000 16000 30000 60000 100000 200000 400000 800000 1.6 million, 3 million, 6 million, and finally 10 million. Assuming a 12 hour reproduction cycle, that would be less than 12 days for this single mutation to propagate itself to the point where every single cell now has it, and any cell that doesn't dies of starvation.
If we were then to extend this mechanism to a scale the size of Earth, we'd get 20 million, 40 million, 80 million, 150 million, 300 million, 600 million, a billion, 2 billion, 4 8 16 32 64 120 240 480 900, 1.5 trillion, 3 trillion, 6 12 24 48 90 150 300 600, 1 quadrillion...after another 14 days. It's quite easy to see that within a single 'month' that a single solitary positive mutation, is beginning to represent itself in unimaginable numbers on a global scale, and it will eventually take over the whole planet, easily within the next month. This is the power of evolutionary mathematics. Eventually every single living cell will contain that positive mutation, and the stage is set to start the whole cycle over again with the next positive mutation.
There are a couple of important things to understand here, the first being that mutations within a given cell are rare, mostly negative, and are nothing more than a modification of the DNA of a living thing, and second, negative mutations kill just the one cell, while positive mutations multiply and eventually dominate. That is the difference. Even though there are an inordinate number of negative mutations compared to positive ones, the negative ones disappear quickly, and 'all' the positive ones eventually dominate. Multiply this process over billions of years and an incomprehensible number of cells all over the world (not just the millions in our little experiment) and it is quite easy to see that within such a large population, positive mutations happen pretty frequently and then spread around the world in a very short timespan. Evolution happens very quickly.
> punctuated equilibrium (PE). There would be no need for PE if Darwin was correct in theorizing about finding numerous transitional forms in the fossil record which "gradually evolved". PE scientists acknowledge this weakness in classical Darwinism. A significant problem with PE is that it is based on a significant jump in organism complexity, which is based on "very short-lived, small populations" which we don't find or observe in the fossil record.
This is another very common misperception that evolution can happen in leaps and bounds, such as a land-animal suddenly sprouting wings. The reason we have gaps in the fossil records is simply due to the fact that it is very difficult to find intact fossils that have survived 'millions' of years. Many people often mistakenly interpret this lack of data as indicative of evolutionary jumps, but this isn't the case, it just simply means we haven't found fossils to fill in the gap, but those fossils are out there and maybe we'll eventually find them. Evolution happens one tweak at a time (slightly bigger beak, little better vision, stronger teeth, etc.) and never radically from one form to the next.
It is very difficult for our feeble human minds to grasp the colossal amount of time that has passed in order to produce the results in evolution that we witness today, and this makes it difficult to digest the number of generations that were required. Even more difficult to digest is that all living creatures on the planet have a common ancestor, some more recent (like humans and chimpanzees) or much more distant (like humans and trees, both are formed from Eukaryote cells), but the difference between any two species is always formed from a gradual divergence, over a great deal of time. Species don't just 'appear'.
> technology has grown in leaps and bounds...especially in the last half-century, but there is no real evidence of man's nature or behavior changing at all throughout the centuries.
You are correct, evolution of humanity within recorded history will probably be very minimal. Again, it takes a phenomenal amount of time over many generations to produce a perceptible difference in our genome, but that's not to say that evolution isn't happening at all times.
> for those who love the Lord, there is a very real hope that in 100 years, we will be with Him (and our loved ones who have gone before us) in Heaven, and that will last for eternity.
I'm sorry you miss your loved ones, but their time has passed and the only place they exist now is in your memories. Over the many years that you may have spent with them, you have picked up a considerable amount of their 'essence', which is a fancy way of saying that you can 'imagine' their personality. It's perfectly normal and healthy to 'interact' with them in your mind. Talk to them, and they'll talk back in a way that only they could.
Thanks for writing,
Sean Sinjin
{All letters from this contributor: 6.75, 7.96}
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#76 - The abusive tenacity of the ethereally-empowered ego - November 13, 2005, 10:15 AM |
Mr. Limbhour wrote back:
Very sorry to cut your incredibly long letter down to almost nothing, but despite the length of your email, you still haven't introduced any new content, and a great deal of it was sadly only meant to be abusive, which unfortunately I will not reward with a reply.
> If I am wrong, I lose nothing, and people just look at me throughout my life with the general attitude, "don't worry about him. He's just a kooky Christian."
Imagine if you met someone from the Earians, and they told you the same type of statement as yours above. How would you feel towards them? Would you perceive them as losing nothing?
> You said, "I do not even wish to continue engaging..." I take it this is your way of conceding? Because this discussion is far from the stalemate, my friend, and you know it.
Whatever battle you imagine us partaking in, absolutely I am conceding, and you definitely have surfaced on top in this exchange. I have gained nothing.
> I, however, see a way our conversation can still bear fruit - I share with you proper Christian doctrine, so that you are better educated for any future discussions with Christians, even if it is to debate against them.
I honestly believe that the full gamut of abusive, insulting, derogatory, repetitive, insane, self-serving, and misguided content that you have offered me has fallen far short of 'educating' me in any useful fashion. My friend, all I've taken from this is a renewed distaste for the evil of religion. If that inspiration alone can help propel BetterHuman.org, then perhaps this isn't a complete loss.
> If you do not like this idea, I see no reason why I should continue answering any of your questions that make feeble attempts to undermine my faith, such as your question about my views towards God, were He to condemn me to Hell.
I must say I'm disappointed that you dodged this very challenging question. I can only assume that you agree with me then that your love for your god hinges upon the reward of immortality.
> If not, I accept your concession of defeat in our discussion, and wish you peace and prosperity, however fleeting, in your endeavors.
I submit, and concede utter and complete defeat in your imagined ideological battle. You have accomplished your mission of berating me and have fully demonstrated the strength of your conviction (meme-virus infection).
I liken our scenario to you visiting my home, screaming at me for days because you don't like the color of my curtains, and then patting yourself on the back as you walk out the door again. Once you leave, however, the curtains will remain. So what exactly have you accomplished? What defeat do you perceive? Do you often walk into other people's houses and scream at them for their decorative choices?
You see, all you've really accomplished is the 'giving yourself a pat on the back' part, and that alone is what people are going to see if you go into their homes and do to them what you're doing to me.
With sincere respect,
Sean Sinjin
{All letters from this contributor: 5.62, 5.67, 5.68, 6.74, 6.76, 7.102}
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#77 - What exactly do religions teach their followers these days? - November 13, 2005, 10:23 AM |
Mr. Undersalt wrote:
> so, let's see if i got this right... You came from nowhere, your life has no real meaning and you're heading nowhere.
Unfortunately my friend, you are completely wrong in all of these assumptions. My book, Meme, elaborates on the above in very great detail, please give it a read.
> You're a quack. Christ rules.
Do you think your Christ would be impressed by the above? Does your religion teach you to insult and ridicule those that do not subscribe to imaginary creatures in the sky? I'm not sure why anybody would want to subscribe to these values unless they enjoy bullying others.
I understand that BetterHuman.org represents a seriously challenging, perhaps terrifying, perspective that can literally destroy the fabric of a mythological perspective, rendering a religious person quite handicapped and disoriented for some time. But, please trust me, reality is a wonderful place, with just as many rewards as your ethereal perspective, different rewards, but just as fulfilling if not more so.
Don't shut out opportunity to learn.
Kind regards,
Sean Sinjin
{All letters from this contributor: 6.77, 7.91}
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#78 - Religion is the roadblock to peace - November 13, 2005, 10:32 AM |
Mr. Wayrule wrote:
> I have been dreaming about the concept of U.S.E. which stands for the United States of the Earth. Unfortunately, religions have been and are a big obstacle to achieve this concept which aims at unity of man on the earth. In this sense you are doing a good job.
Thank you for the kind words. And to follow your point, yes, religions are the thousand-pound gorilla that prevents global peace. Sound a bit dramatic? I don't believe it can be overstated. Religions foster so many ignorant prejudices and ulterior agenda-driven policies (the 'abomination' of homosexuality, oppression of women, no condom policy, etc. etc. etc.) that it is impossible for all humans to be treated with respect, and that is the biggest underlying failure of any and all religions. Without ubiquitous and sincere respect for all, peace will always remain elusive.
Thanks for writing,
Sean Sinjin
{All letters from this contributor: 6.78, 12.161}
#79 - Waking the sleeping giant - November 13, 2005, 10:37 AM
Mr. Siderain wrote back:
> I would just like to shout out to religious people to stop trying to convert Mr. Sinjin (And other strong atheists such as my self) because it is just a waste of your time. Go ahead and explain why you are religious, because everyone has their own beliefs, no matter how farfetched they may be. if you strongly feel you are right (which you arent), more power to you. let it shelter you from the true universe. But stop trying to save us from "burning in hell" and such because it doesnt work. You cant save an atheists soul because there is nothing to be saved
My friend, thank you for your very potent support, I really appreciate it, and there will be a time in the future for that conviction to have a role, so please be patient while BetterHuman.org necessarily continues its reconnaissance phase. I hope you believe that I absolutely do not suffer in any way from even the most vicious feedback, of which there is plenty.
However, I don't want to discourage religious people from writing me, even if their tone is vacant of respect. Their contributions to the weblog are an invaluable resource in helping to educate others. For every 10 religious zealots that bare their teeth at me, 10000 other people are going to bear witness to their cruelty and anger (fear), and perhaps the very zealots themselves will be responsible for turning people against the insanity of religion.
Take care,
Sean Sinjin
{All letters from this contributor: 3.34, 3.42, 5.66, 6.72, 6.79, 7.93, 8.113, 14.177}
#80 - The withdrawal symptoms of the 'faith' narcotic - November 13, 2005, 10:50 AM
Mr. Loophost wrote back:
> If self pleasure is then the only goal, then life is a mere chemical accident.
I wouldn't use the word 'accident' because despite the apparent randomness of evolution, it is quite a directed process. Also, self-pleasure is the goal of everyone, no matter which perspective one subscribes to.
> What value then is there to continue life? but for self gratitude. life becomes cheap.
Religion is a drug, and much like a heroin addiction, one of the withdrawal symptoms is the recognition that reality cannot compete with the narcotic high. Being stoned on religion 'feels' much better than being immersed in reality (with all its pains and unknowns). I went though this phenomenal transition myself when I left mythology behind, and it was very difficult to define 'purpose' because purpose had previously always been defined for me by my religion. It soon became clear to me that choosing a purpose was 'my' responsibility. Once I accepted that responsibility, my life took off in fantastic directions and I assure you that I have much more value in life now than I ever did as a drone ethereal addict.
Life is hard, but the ultimate reward isn't your desired false afterlife, it's maximizing the quality of life that you have right here, on Earth, now. You only have one life to live, don't live it in a deception.
> With no higher force (God) then why have social consciousness, life has no constant rule. what decides what is right and what is not.
Please read the weblog for many articles addressing 'instinctual morality'.
> We see that through legalized abortion, same sex marriages ect. What you get is social decay.
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Your religion has taught you many false prejudices my friend. Can you describe how someone having an abortion affects your life? Can you define the impact in your life of a gay couple getting married? I can't see why you need to oppress what other people can or cannot (harmlessly) do when it has absolutely nothing to do with you.
> I hope you don't become so blind and self assured by what you believe.
I am always amazed how equally reciprocal statements like that are.
Regards,
Sean Sinjin
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#81 - A detailed explanation of evolution - November 13, 2005, 11:02 AM |
Mr. Hopchurn wrote:
> i am not one to attack a persons views, and i will not attack you personally. I respect your thoughts and idea therefore i will approach it appropriately.
A welcome change, thank you. I sincerely appreciate that.
> from evolution. How would you explain no transitional animals ever found,
Try to understand that 'millions' of years are involved here and time has an incredible ability to destroy just about anything. One way to look at this is to imagine what happens when a creature dies in our world today. Let's say an old tiger finally kicks the bucket. Within hours the carcass will be discovered by other creatures, small and large, and it will be entirely consumed, yes, even the bones that are calcium rich and contain protein-rich marrow. This is a very typical scenario that has played itself out countless times all throughout history. It is 'very' unlikely that a carcass will survive long enough to be covered in enough sediment to preserve it. This means that the chances of preservation are virtually none.
The unbelievably rare exceptions of animals falling into a tar pit, or being encased in ice, are 'so' rare that the few excavation sites around the world of this nature cannot possibly contain the full diversity of life representative of all given eras. Unfortunately, we don't have any other way to learn about these ancient creatures because our only snapshots of the past are through these extremely rare preservation coincidences. There may be thousands of species that have existed for which we will never find a single fossil, and they will never be known. This is an unfortunate but realistic shortcoming of archaeology that is impossible to surmount. Mother Nature wasn't the best librarian, but "absence of evidence is not evidence for absence"
> no where does he (Darwin) state a species can evolve to another species. He states that a species will evolve to better adapt for survival, but no animal will evolve into another species entirely.
New species do not just appear. Let me try to explain this with an extreme example: let's say we have a population of 'dingers' living on an island. One day a volcano erupts in the middle of the island and over several years it grows so massive that it effectively splits the island into two regions. Because this volcano is so large, no creatures can pass from one side to the other, and it actually influences the weather on this island causing one side to be constantly doused with rain, and turning the other side into a desert. The first thing the dingers have to deal with (assuming of course there were some left over after the volcano) is the fact that their individual environments have suddenly become much more extreme. This environmental 'stress' probably kills a great number of them, but some of the hardier ones do survive. The survivors on the wet side have subtle attributes that make them more tolerant to the excess rain, whereas the survivors on the dry side have subtle attributes that help them in drought conditions.
Fast forward a million years (thousands of generations later), we now can see much evolution has taken place in our dingers. The wet dingers are now larger because of the plethora of plants available for food, and they've developed longer clawed fingers and toes to help them climb the huge trees that grow on their side. The dry dingers, however, are much smaller than they used to be, very lean, in reaction to the limited supply of food due to the desert conditions. Their snouts are longer because this helps them to locate insects for food that they've evolved the ability to digest.
What I've just described is how two new species evolve from one; a single species spreads into different geographical regions (different environmental stresses) and these disparate groups then evolve individually to match those new environments until eventually their DNA is incompatible with their cousins, much like our dry dingers cannot reproduce with the much larger and different wet dingers, even though a million years ago, they were the same creature. This is the mechanism of evolution.
> if your findings are so great and breakthrough why haven't i heard about you or them.
I don't believe I ever claimed any of my ideas to be 'great'. Please understand that BetterHuman.org is very much in its infancy and it will take some time for some of the challenging concepts that it presents to be absorbed by the masses. Of course I have met with great resistance but slowly, person by person, BetterHuman.org is winning support.
> And why do you need to make money off it. If i found something proving creation then i would share without profit.
You assume too much my friend. I have spent thousands of dollars in the manifestation of my book and website. At the time of this writing, after advertising costs, I lose $27 on every book I sell. Despite this constant drain on my finances, and the ceaseless barrage of resistance from the religious right, I'm still here.
I assure you that my sole motivation is to educate.
Regards,
Sean Sinjin
{All letters from this contributor: 6.81, 6.83}
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#82 - Candle-blowing - November 13, 2005, 11:06 AM |
Mr. Batchnail wrote:
> And now? Now you want to wipe religion from the face of the Earth. Now you want to MAKE everyone think the way you do. You think its ok to do this because you are "saving" them from themselves. Well buddy, there's a couple of things you should know. The world does not want to be "saved". People are quite happy doing just what they're doing and believing just what they're believing. They aren't really interested in having Sean's vision of the world put upon them. And if you ever had any success in your endevour, the world would would not thank you for it. Instead they would come down on you like a ton of bricks. Why? Because people like to choose what to believe. I'm sorry Sean, but you cannot stop them.
My friend, I simply hold out the truth for all to see. Feel free to reject it.
Despite your hostile and fatally pessimistic diatribe, it will have no effect on my commitment, if only because I have already accomplished that which you claim I cannot. One person at a time, I am freeing people from ethereal addiction, and they 'are' thanking me for it. Please review the weblog for examples of this.
> Belief A: The belief that Sean's intentions in saving the world from religion are based on empathy and concern for the good of the world.
> Beleif B: An alternative belief is that Sean is angry and is yet to accept the world for what it is and wants to change it to fit his ideals.
I would have to choose A.
> Do you enjoy having the freedom to decide your beliefs for your self? Yes, I thought you did. Well guess what? So does everyone else!
Unfortunately, your point is moot because it assumes that all perspectives have equal validity (not to mention that it also neglects considering the ramifications of a lifetime wasted pursuing an incorrect perspective). Your statement makes no more sense than suggesting that we should all be able to decide how long we should live. You may 'believe' you can live X number of years, but whether you do or not is absolutely out of your control. Likewise with reality, many people 'believe' that ethereal creatures exist in the sky, but that doesn't change the fact that they do not. I find it difficult to believe, nay, impossible that people would 'choose' to believe in mythology if they truly understood reality. People want to know the truth. Nobody wants to waste their lives in a deception.
Thanks for writing,
Sean Sinjin
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#83 - 'Species' continued - November 26, 2005, 09:55 AM |
Mr. Hopchurn wrote back:
> When you were describing your "dingers" you attempted to make a new species out of one. What you actually did was just make two different versions of one species. Just because they have different attribute such as a longer snout or something of that sort does not make them a different species.
I don't believe you've understood the degree of independent evolution that my example was implying. What I was trying to demonstrate is that there is a point in the divergence of a dispersed species at which their DNA no longer remains compatible (too many distinct mutations that are unique to each divergence) and it is at this point that, by definition, they become two different species. In fact, divergence from an existing species is the 'only' way that any new species can 'appear'. New species don't just pop out of thin air.
This separation is what happened between us humans and the chimpanzees so long ago. We used to be the same species, but geographical separation of our same common ancestor species presented different portions of that population with different environmental challenges, and as time went on, chimpanzees evolved to match their environment, and humans to match ours. Human DNA is no longer compatible with chimpanzee DNA, despite there being a 97% match in nucleotide base-pairs, so you see, it takes very little evolution to make a substantial difference in physical attributes, and hence a new species is born due to the inability to crossbreed.
> Take for instance frogs. Some live entirely in water and never surface in fact i have one in my fish tank, but on the other hand some frogs live almost entirely on land. Obviously this makes them different with different attributes but we do not entirely dub them a two different species.
Correct. There are different genus's within a given species (e.g. the human genus's are called 'races'), meaning that there may be subtle physical or behavioral attributes that vary between members of that species (such as your land and water frogs), but ultimately crossbreeding them will produce viable offspring, and this is why they are still considered a single species. However, there is a point in their evolution where a genus evolves too far from the rest of the species and can no longer be successfully crossbred. It is at this point that, technically, a new species has appeared. This new species will continue to evolve in its independent direction until its attributes are as radically different from its cousin species, as we are from chimpanzees.
> Also the dingers can actually procrete, the size does not matter.
Somewhat true; there are many species, such as dogs, where size does not preclude DNA compatibility, but after enough independent evolution, size eventually matters. For example, a bear and raccoon are relatively close cousins but yet the dimorphic size ratio between the two creatures makes size a clear factor in their DNA incongruency.
> As to your money issues with your book I apologize for assuming to much please forgive me.
Absolutely not a problem. I'm glad you brought it up because I wasn't aware that this perception of BetterHuman.org existed. That being said however, it is unrealistic to expect to be able to maintain these efforts without some form of fund-raising strategy to fuel the process. I will try to avoid the ulterior tactics that religion's employ, that being the recruitment of membership and the proverbial 'collection plate' that does nothing more than drain the resources of their ethereal addicts. However, discrete corporate donations and book/merchandise sales via our marketing strategy, will allow us to permeate the ideals of BetterHuman.org into public awareness.
Please let me know if I've been able to your questions,
Sean Sinjin
{All letters from this contributor: 6.81, 6.83}
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#84 - How to best deal with religion and loved ones - November 26, 2005, 10:09 AM |
Ms. Timecrate wrote back:
> I admire your ability to stay calm when reading the letters from these irate people. If someone were to say to me what those people write to you, I'd only be able to stand there, shocked and indignant at their arrogance and incessant babble.
I try to look at it like this: always consider yourself in a position where you can teach by setting an example. This philosophy is extremely challenging because it is not very widely adopted and as such is often difficult to understand the benefits of; it feels 'unnatural' not to react with rage when confronted with rage. Typically in difficult social encounters we often 'paraproject' the other person, meaning that we attempt to match their method of communication. While paraprojecting may be very effective in quickly relaying information back to the other party in a manner they immediately recognize, it often exacerbates tense situations. Demonstrating sincere respect in the face of hostility is a powerful demonstration of strength and integrity, and instantly demands reciprocation in kind. By not being 'led' into a hostile projection style and instead 'driving' the confrontation towards a more calm and intelligent one, often the antagonizing party will recognize the subtle benefits of such and will re-engineer their projection to match. If they do not, well at least you can have pride in yourself for not diminishing your own character.
> I want you to know that your weblog has given me great peace of mind, and I'm always so delighted when I find an update in my inbox!
Thank you. I wish I could put into words how much that means to me.
> This is kind of a Dear Abby question. On holidays, my family will get in a big circle, join hands, and pray. I am the only atheist (born again very recently, so I haven't had to deal with this yet.) in my family, and I'm wondering what would be the best thing for me to do without them getting miffed at me, and without having to align with them.
I'll share one of my own personal experiences to see if my approach makes sense to you. I also had to recently confront an occasion where my highly religious sister imposed upon me my necessary attendance at a religious ceremony, the christening of her newborn baby. After a deep-hearted discussion with my mother, I decided that it was far more important to go through the motions of the ceremony, play my part, and not offend my sister. My sister is very aware of my atheism, but I decided that there's a time and place for a political stand-off, and this wasn't the time. I love my sister very much, and as excruciatingly 'painful' as it was for me to fulfill her request of me, I did it out of love. There would be nothing gained politically if I refused, but there would have been much emotional damage to our relationship if I did.
We're not going to change the world overnight, so I believe small sacrifices like these, especially in the pursuit of family harmony, are a small price to pay and very representative of the essence of BetterHuman.org. We don't need to be militant about our perspective.
Hope this helps,
Sean Sinjin
{All letters from this contributor: 2.19, 3.37, 6.84, 9.133, 22.324}
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#85 - Little bit of everything - November 26, 2005, 10:17 AM |
Mr. Bodeglare wrote:
> Hey, in all seriousness, PHENOMENAL stuff on your site.
Thank you very much my friend.
> assuming you are an American
I'm afraid that's an incorrect assumption.
> Your tenet concerning anger states that "Revenge should only be enacted with the purpose of recuperation and prevention, instead of a simple-minded act of equal retribution." While I agree that vigilantism is counter to social stability and progress, I wonder if your tenet, as it is written, precludes the incarceration of criminals
Incarceration (or alternatively, banishment) definitely fits the 'prevention' caveat of the tenet. Of course each situation requires an individual assessment to see what the options are in terms of rehabilitation, but because of its powerful deterrent effect, imprisonment can form a healthy and humane portion of the resolution.
> Another of your tenets declares that "Every person has the right to deter the detrimental actions of another." I strongly believe we should all fight injustice in accordance with our individual capacities to do so and within the limits of legitimate law, so I would venture to say you should change "right" to "obligation" or "responsibility." However, without the clarification of "within the limits of legitimate law," this statement borders on being anarchic, as it suggests that the extent and severity of such actions are subjective. I should hope you'd want the people to allow the courts and law enforcement a chance to be the objective judges (are there any?) and executors of justice before they took matters into their own hands!
Excellent point, my tenet as shown on the website is much too vague, though in my book, Meme, I have elaborated greatly on this. The original intent of this tenet was to grant people the right to oppress the spread of the religious meme-virus, unlike what exists today where religious perspectives are protected by 'freedom of speech'. By my simplifying this tenet to simply reflect the self-pursuit of justice, I have unwittingly expanded the scope of this tenet beyond reasonably clear interpretation, and so I would like to propose the following revision:
"Every person has the duty to maximally exert the influence of the law, either by their direct influence (when interpretation of the law is not in question), or by incitement of law enforcement services."
If the above is to successfully fulfill my original goal of religious meme-virus oppression, then of course the laws will have to be rewritten to recognize that religion is a social disease that can only be practically contained by oppression (and more effective education), and not simply tolerated (which does nothing more than assist in the spread of the virus).
> In the tenet "We are all equally worthless in the big picture," I understand the reason you chose "worthless" instead of "worthwhile" but in order for me to better judge the validity of the tenet, I would like you to elaborate on what you mean by the "big picture."
I meant the entire universe, and this has now been added to the tenet. I believe this tenet is important in that it helps us to find value in those that we perceive to be below us, almost granting us the ability to observe any person as if we are meeting them nonjudgmentally for the first time. As well, it inspires those that feel 'below' others to recognize that they truly are not, and are worthy of respect. People tend to get mentally 'tunnel-visioned' into only one or two human evaluation systems (employment position, personal wealth, etc.) and often base their entire self-worth upon their position within these systems. What we all need to understand is that there are potentially thousands of human classification systems that we could partake in that we would excel at, or conversely, suffer in. It makes no sense to evaluate your self-worth against other people, hence, the only classification system in which we are 'all' forced to take a role (that being the universe's) is one in which we are all equally worthless, and this helps us to recognize that our 'self'-worth can only come from within.
> In another tenet, you decree that "Massive accumulation of wealth is only permitted in the light of the nobility of its eventual intended purpose, which must in some way benefit humanity as a whole...." What are your opinions on how society should quantify "massive" and "noble"
I will be intentionally vague in my response here because I believe these definitions should always be reflective of the time period in which it is to be enforced, and defined by the intellectually/educationally/empathically-elected ruling body. Now that I have personally disclaimed this responsibility, the intent of this tenet is to prevent the unnecessary enslavement of our fellow humans for the king-like lifestyle of the very few.
There is only so much money in the world so if you accumulate plenty of it, then it was somehow taken from someone else. Given the complexity that we have in our economic engines today, it may be difficult to imagine that the money we use to purchase an item at a market here, ultimately trickles down through many, many layers (distributor, bank, shipper, insurance, tax, manufacturer, employee, etc.) to ultimately end at some virtually enslaved individual, perhaps in a far-off land, that receives a ridiculously small fraction of this money for all their manufacturing efforts. This system might be considered fair if equal opportunity existed ubiquitously throughout the world, but we all know this isn't the case. Our participation in this economic structure directly contributes to many others' indentured servitude.
Historically, 'slavery' has been defined with the caveat of physical imprisonment, but barring the notion of chains, how much does that contemporary definition differ from what we consider 'employment' today? I choose to define slavery as "unwanton self-sacrifice to the benefit of another's greed". Now, you may challenge the choice of the word 'unwanton' simply because we get rewards out of working, however, I would venture that the greatest returns from your efforts while employed are not garnered by yourself, but by your employer, who feeds you just enough reward to retain your services. This modern definition of slavery essentially reformulates contemporary slavery into a matured and calculated mental confinement that replaces the traditional physical confinement.
I often find myself asking, 'how much money do I truly need to live?' After removing the expenses related to retaining a job (which is considerable with travel, clothing, food, time, etc.), and reducing living accommodations to a more pragmatic and less ego-demonstrative level, it is easy to see that a very meager amount of money can set the stage for a content life, without the need to enslave ourselves for 50+ hours a week simply to pursue these colossal aspirations that a capitalistic mindset drives us into.
Now at the other end of the spectrum is communism, which I believe is noble in intent, but entirely lacking in purpose and motivation for its constituents and hence lends itself to severe corruption. Communism fails to recognize that apathy and motivation cannot be systematically equated, simply because we are not all created equal. We need to be rewarded for motivation in order to dredge the best out of humanity.
What I am proposing is a society that will grant the highly motivated a means to free themselves from the indentured servitude that is a necessary evil at our current level of technological evolution (implying that we'll eventually have the technology to do all our labor for us). Once someone has accomplished the monetary resources to be 'free', any further collection of wealth needs to be balanced and justified against the degree of human enslavement that is required to support said wealth.
Of course many wealthy people would severely balk at this tenet, and how could they not? They live like kings among us. Despite the fact that there may be many of them that choose to exercise their great wealth in true philanthropic fashion (which is 'exactly' what I am promoting), I would still venture that most wealthy people have no interest in freeing their fellow humans from their indentured servitude, rather, they enjoy the personal liberties that they exercise at the expense of those servants.
Do all wealthy people deserve their great wealth? Hardly. The only people that deserve great wealth would be those that are clever enough to accumulate it with a minimum of enslavement, and are altruistically motivated to exercise that wealth. This immediately precludes the automatic wealth windfalls bestowed to heirs, family, royalty, religions, capable vagrants, lotteries, etc. Essentially what I am driving for is the recognition that money is 'power', exactly. And power should be carefully bestowed only to those that can best administrate it for the benefit of the masses (which does not necessarily imply the government). Unfortunately in our modern societies, this massive power often falls into the hands of the most undeserved, at the expense of potentially thousands of others' slavery. Does anybody sincerely believe that one person should singly benefit as the focal point of thousands of others' slavery?
Somewhere between capitalism, socialism, communism, etc. lies a weighted-vote democracy that stimulates its constituents with rewards for motivation and yet maximizes the quality of life for the greatest number of people. What I am proposing is a paradigm shift away from the 'greed' focus, and more towards a self-fulfillment focus. Greed enslaves others; make that unattainable, and the nobler pursuits radically increase in value. How great would it be to master the martial arts, or to have 5 PhD's, or to sail around the world? All of these things are impossible when your time is stolen by a full-time job that just makes someone else rich.
So in answer to your question, let's stop focusing on how much we can accumulate in our lives, and focus more on freeing our brothers and sisters from all forms of tyranny, including the slavery of full-time employment.
> and how do you justify advocacy of punishment of those who have committed no specific crime, but have only demonstrated fiscal responsibility within the bounds of the law?
I don't believe that I indicated any form of punishment for the above, but only that it should be impossible to pursue massive wealth for selfish means. Simply put, if you procure a lot of money and decide that jewelry, servants, and lavish luxury is the best you can do with that power; then that power will be removed from your hands. If philanthropy is the chosen course for your power, then it is ~yours to render as you see fit.
> You then go on to say in the next tenet that "All other forms of unfortunate poverty will be remedied by societal pooling of appropriate resources." Isn't all poverty "unfortunate" from the perspective of the advancement of mankind?
There are those that choose to impersonate poverty as an occupation, and they exist in a surprisingly disproportionate number compared to the genuinely needy. Nowhere is this more pronounced than in first world nations where the facilities and options exist in undeniable bounty for vagrants to step up into civilization. Quite simply put, virtually all vagrants in a first-world nation have discovered a financial resource in undeserved pity, and have 'chosen' their path of apparent destitution. These are the career vagrants that are nothing more than immoral thieves.
'Unfortunate' poverty can occur when someone is mentally ill and is incapable of caring for themselves. Another type of unfortunate poverty would be those victims of political oppression or disregard, as witnessed in many third-world nations. These people, given the opportunity, would flourish in a way that would deeply humble even the most successful in our world, yet these opportunities don't exist in their world, either due to their political climate or the abject poverty they are born into. These are the people that are most victimized by 'our' society, in that they are enslaved into producing goods for our world, for virtually nothing in return.
> I am struggling to conceptualize an example of poverty that is not a result of the apathy of the impoverished. Poverty as a result of human (crime or war) or natural disaster can only occur if the victim did not take the responsibility to protect their assets through some sort of insurance.
A very first world notion. Please understand that insurance is a very expensive luxury that most impoverished people cannot begin to afford.
> Poverty as a result of an oppressive, corrupt government can only exist if the impoverished allow it to by failing to remove (forcibly if necessary) their oppressors from power.
Again, imagine a peasant farmer attempting to confront the policies of a militarily protected government. Simply impossible. We take 'free speech' for granted but this too is a very unique (and very abused) privilege that most poor nations do not have. Oppressive governments remain in power because they can quash any offensive before it gains any significant momentum. There are more examples of this immovable tyrannical power throughout history than any other form of government.
> I'm not sure if such was your intent, but the wording of your tenet makes it sound like you favor the basic premise of a communistic or socialistic form of government, where the wealth of the masses should be collected by the government and redistributed in a manner which better serves the society as a whole.
I wish to make a clear distinction between BetterHuman.org's tenets and that of communism. As stated before, communism has the altruistic intent of granting everyone equality. Though on the surface it seems a noble pursuit, it is unfortunately based entirely upon the premise that we are all born with equal intrinsic potential, which we are not. Any governing system that attempts to flatten everyone to equality will suffer from a myriad of abuse and corruption from its members that are attempting to correct this oppression. Simply put, communism does not work. BetterHuman.org does 'not' subscribe to any form of equality system, but rather attempts to define purpose for and give value to all measures of people. Our philosophy provides that you will be rewarded for your efforts, but only to the point of relative freedom. Beyond an agreeable form of content lifestyle that most would describe, you no longer retain the privilege of wealth accumulation that can only serve to enslave others, unless you can demonstrate altruistic and progressive intent with further wealth accumulation.
Socialism is a long way towards what I would consider the ideal form of society, if it wasn't for the unfortunate fact that socialism is too easily abused in its current manifestation. The 'Robin Hood' structure of using the rich's wealth to supplant what is often no more than apathy of the poor, is too liberal and wasteful. Not many people recognize that if you were to take all of the wealth in the world and distribute it evenly to everybody, within 10 years the wealth will again have returned to those that had it in the first place. Some people are good with money, but most people are bad with money, very bad. As such, a socialist system of monetary 'hand-outs' (such as welfare, charities, etc.) only serves to introduce an infinite gaping chasm into which to pour money.
Instead, I suggest that we pursue the 'intent' of socialism, and that is to guarantee a minimum quality of life for our less financially inclined. This can be accomplished by providing a high-caliber baseline education, palatable living conditions, nutritional food, and health care, such that 'anybody' who wishes to pursue a better life has this foundation to begin from. Access to these minimum living conditions will not be granted through forfeiture of the rich's wealth into the poor's fiscally-incapable hands, but rather with the 'direct' supply of these minimum standards. Ultimately though, there will be no money, unless you are willing to work for it. Those that do not wish to work will be granted these basics in exchange for a modicum of maintenance effort, equivalent to the workload one might experience in a hunter-gatherer society. It must be our intrinsic right as humans to be able to live in the same modesty as our ancestors did, without the forced servitude we bear in today's world. Wealth should be considered a separate luxury from the basic right of survival (as well as the privilege of reproduction, but that's a can of worms we'll leave intact for now).
The above system accomplishes many things: 1) it vastly increases the efficiency of the government's ability to effect this minimum living standard, 2) the standard can be homogenized to a largely agreed-upon 'fair' level, 3) a minimum education can be applied, setting the stage for anyone to pursue a more fulfilling life, 4) it can counter many monetarily introduced issues (such as misappropriation, regional cost disparities, etc.), and most importantly, 5) it recognizes the value of all humans as people, and not as commodities.
This system gives genuinely good people that are 'not' greed inclined, a chance to just live life and be content, without them being enslaved by 50+ hours a week just to barely survive. It is these meek and noble people that suffer the most in our dog-eat-dog economic engines. I say for those who wish to compete for the power and glory, let them compete, but leave the innocent and gentle out of the arena.
> Your FOS tenet claims that "Freedom of speech should be a privilege instead of a right; to the degree that prevents someone blind with ignorance from misleading an innocent or susceptible audience." Your philosophy undoubtedly aims at vaccinating the populace from potential infection of the meme virus through prosthelyzing. However, any form of institutional censorship inadvertently suppresses ideas and imagination because it will always be subjectively imposed based on the judgment of those in control of the institution who may themselves be collectively blind with ignorance
That is correct, and a risk I believe is worth taking. My analogy for our current manifestation of 'freedom of speech' is to imagine recklessly driving a vehicle at 200 mph down a freeway for no other reason than nobody wants to take responsibility for deciding if it's better to drive at 60 mph or at 90 mph. Of course there will be some gray area and there will be some unfortunate oppression at the expense of a more limited freedom of speech, but the cost of what we perceive now as freedom of speech (which ultimately still suffers a tremendous degree of censorship) is that the mythological nonsense of religions continues to fester and evolve, all the while hiding behind this unduly liberal freedom of speech caveat. There is more damage done with this freedom than the possible damage done from a more limited tolerance of what can and cannot be taught to the masses. An intellectually/educationally/empathically-weighted-vote government will go a long way to improving the caliber of any meaningful censorship that can serve this purpose.
> American liberal activist Michael Moore created "Fahrenheit 9/11" because he wanted to spread the message that our administration had led us into an unjust war based on false principles and personal greed; a message he adamantly believes but one that is nonetheless based on subjective opinion. The concepts portrayed in this movie were biased and highly slanderous against a standing president. The legitimacy of Moore's claims is debatable, so from the perspective of many people, he believes them in "blind ignorance" and, if they are presented without 100% accuracy (again, this is a big IF since it cannot be confidently determined) or even out of context, he would be "misleading an innocent or susceptible audience," thereby making himself a perpetrator under your definition. Hence, his expression of his opinionated views would need to be suppressed.
Not suppressed, but requiring of evidential support. If he absolutely believes his positions, and attempts to portray them as 'fact', he would necessarily have to justify them, not just present them without supporting evidence.
> If we can present a valid, logical argument (such as you are doing on betterhuman.org) which is more acceptable than an ethereal explanation to a rational mind, then there will be no need for imposed censorship. If we cannot, then these minds must bear the burden of their irrationality (or our failure to present a strong enough case), as personal responsibility ultimately falls on each of us as individuals.
I consider that a failing in compassion, and a lack of understanding that we 'all' suffer the burden of their irrationality, as you understand first hand when you engage insurgents on the front lines. There are many people in the world that expend a tremendous amount of their resources in the futile pursuit of immortality. To witness this, and not feel somehow compelled to help them or not to try to prevent more victims of ethereal addiction, I cannot understand. If something as simple as oppression (censorship) of religion will enable millions the opportunity to mature intellectually strong enough to see it for the mythology that it is, before religion ever has the chance to ensnare them with their ego-manipulating and fear-inducing tactics, then how can that be wrong? I would venture a gamble that virtually any person whom accumulates a reasonable education in science and life, and then is exposed for the first time to the wiles of religion, will run for their very lives from that madness. We must give people the chance to acquire the necessary wisdom to be able to make this 'decision', long before religions have placed their mental traps.
> In your excerpt from "Fate," you make the statement that "The universe may seem randomly disorganized but it is indeed a perfectly closed predictable system....." but I am curious as to how this remains valid in spite of the unpredictability of human behavior.
Human behavior is no less predictable than the clouds in the sky, or flames in a fire, but that does not mean they are random. Every single atom, electron, photon, etc. that composes our body or influences our presence, has a predetermined path, but because of the complexity of the universe, that path is impossible to predict. Because of our powerful ego instinct, it is very difficult to understand that we do not actually 'choose' a path; meaning that we suffer anguish to believe that we are essentially being controlled by destiny. To better explain: imagine if we recorded a video of someone running a course with many trails. The first time we watch the video, we may wonder what path that person will take, first a left, then a right, and then another right, until the finish line. Now we watch the video again, left, right, right, finished. Again, left, right, right, finish. No matter how many times we watch it, of course we get the same results. So what we are watching here is a slice of time in the energy flow of the universe, where we happened to watch a particular event unfold. The person in the video was subjected to certain environmental parameters at each 'decision' point that made them fulfill their 'decisions'.
Now imagine if instead of watching the video over and over, we actually flow 'back' in time to the point where this person runs the race for the first time (and the runner's brain is also rolled back in time so it's still technically his first run). As we watch, we 'still' see that the runner has chosen left, right, right, finish. Reverse time again, left, right, right, finish. It will 'never' change. This running person will always 'choose' the same path, simply because the exact same environmental parameters were presented to that person every single time, and their brain is wired to respond with the actions it manifested each time.
What we perceive as 'choice' is not free-will as we like to define it, but rather it's an 'unfolding' of destiny. Our choices are handed to us, though our egos wish to call them our own. Fate long ago decided what this runner's path was going to be and he merely fulfilled the energy flow that defined this event.
It may help to understand that there are an infinite amount of 'decisions' that occurred throughout this race. We tend to focus on the choices of path, but what about the choices of where his feet would land, or when he chose to point his hands, or how he chose to breathe, or glance, or blink, or twist, or heartbeat, or twitch his left quadricep, or point his toe, or look up 1.5 degrees, or perspire 0.0045% more, or...etc.etc.etc. You see, there are an infinite number of turning points in any scenario, and simply because we recognize some on a human level, doesn't preclude that at every single instant of every event, some kind of choice is being made. It doesn't matter that some choices seem to stem from a 'consciousness' because ultimately our consciousness is nothing more than a very elaborate sequence of neural activity that processes information in a pre-determined way with an exact result.
You may argue that the second time this runner takes this course that he decides to take right, left, left, and then finish, but it is important to recognize that many parameters have now changed in the second scenario, most notably that the runner's brain now contains information about the path options that he might not have had before, and this new programming changes how he reacts to the same environmental conditions. For example, it might be his interest to discover what the other options were and this directs his actions to follow the complete opposite of the path he ran the first time (a completely new video). Two different scenarios. However, if you were to go back in time and follow his path the second time, over and over and over, he'd choose the right, left, left, finish, every single time, because the parameters that enter his brain for the second run are exactly the same, and his brain is exactly the same for each second run.
At the moment of the Big Bang is when the universe wrote the video of the future. We will never be able to (accurately) see this video until it has already played, but make no mistake, our fates our written. Our powerful egos suffer when attempting to consider our lives as nothing more than a fulfillment of a predetermined destiny, but the fact that our futures are unpredictable to us gives us the powerful illusion of control of that destiny and as such should suffice to comfort the ego; but at all times remember, it's just an illusion. Humans do not introduce any degree of randomness whatsoever into the universe, any more than a computer can operate outside of its programming. Our inability to predict our own futures or pre-determined decisions in no way separates us from the gameplan of the universe. The universe has already planned every decision we will ever make.
> As a result, our concept of protean "choice" only appears to be authentic because we observe it from a limited (read: lacking universal omniscience) perspective. This scenario, however, begs the question of how such a precise script was pre-ordained and by whom or what force or entity?
A natural direction to pursue when discussing fate, 'whom' is responsible? The problem is with the question, not the answer. The question should instead read, 'what' is responsible, which clearly removes any consciousness from the design of the universe. I use the word 'design' only to acknowledge that design has evolved in our universe, but it is important to understand that this design is a product of energy flow propagating evolution, and 'not' due to the ludicrous concept that a necessarily 'more' complex intelligence manifested this design.
To answer your question, the Big Bang is originally responsible for how the universe will play out its life, and all that it contains will follow a very precise script, however, there was no intelligence behind this scripting. Your perception of precision implies there is a huge improbability of reaching the apparent fine balance of the current state of the universe and its contained lifeforms that seem to perfectly match their environments. To explain why this precision is easily attained, let's use our eyes as an example: we have color-sensitive rods in our retinas that respond to red, green, and blue. That's it. Every other color we can possibly witness is some combination of these three primary colors in our retinas. These colors also happen to perfectly match the most powerful radiation frequencies that the sun generates, allowing us to maximize ambient light to view our environment with. Was this lucky? Designed? Try evolved. Many thousands of generations of our most ancient ancestors slowly evolved the ability to see in color, all through genetic mutation trial and error. If the sun had instead radiated a more ultraviolet or infrared spectrum to generate its greatest energy from, so too would we have evolved to 'see' those frequencies. It is no fluke that we are perfectly balanced to our environment, we just simply evolved thought natural selection to match it.
> Also, does this equate us to organic computers in that we only possess the ability to make the one logical deduction if faced with options?
Yes, exactly! We are biological machines that respond precisely to environmental stimuli. What makes this confusing for most people to understand is they believe that in reality we can encounter the same scenario twice and make a different decision, thereby breaking this concept. What needs to be understood is that even though it may seem like the same scenario twice, it is impossible for every single variable and thought to be in exactly the same condition it was the first time, simply because it is not the same time. If it were possible to step back in time and 'really' do the same scenario over again, it would 'always' demonstrate the exact same decision being made.
> If so, then why do so many people act so irrationally? Is it merely flawed programming? And if not, then does this serve as exemplary proof of free will?
'Irrational' is very subjective. One person's irrationality may be another's very logical emotional recourse. Everyone's programming is different and nobody will react in the exact same way as another person to the same scenario. This only demonstrates that we are all wired differently, due to different experiences in life, but again, the same person going through the exact same scenario (by going back in time) will 'always' perform the same 'decisions'
> And what of altruism? Using the example of finding a wallet and mailing it back to its owner without a return address, isn't it a defiance of logic that our egos would allow us to sacrifice the value of keeping the money in the wallet in exchange for the solely psychological value of knowing you did the right thing?
You are failing to acknowledge the logical benefit of exercising the altruistic instinct. Of course you are correct in recognizing that it is virtually 'impossible' to perform a logical yet unrewarding act, but when you throw in the reward of the altruistic instinctual 'fix', the above action of returning the wallet now has some merit; and that fix is far greater a reward than any amount of guilt-laced cash could offer. Instinctual placation is the source of all happiness; greed tends to be more obvious than most of the other instincts, but altruism can generate just as much, if not much more pleasure than most other instincts.
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> you say that "It is impossible to make sound decisions from within a mythological perspective, and as such the accountability for those decisions should fall upon those that victimized their minds with fantasy in the first place (religions)." This is one of the few areas where I strongly disagree with you. Unless we are forced to make them under duress, we are all responsible for our own choices, regardless of what sort of influence led us to make these decisions.
I would consider the threat of 'eternal damnation in hell' to be a powerful state of duress.
> To say otherwise would be the equivalent of saying a violent video game is responsible for a child murdering his sibling
It is merely common sense that violent environmental stimuli can induce violent behavior. You only know what you're taught.
> or that alcohol producers are to blame for alcohol-related traffic fatalities
I do believe that people who drink and drive are educated enough to bear the responsibility for their actions.
> or that a child brought up in a bad part of town who subsequently turned to crime is somehow not culpable for his decision.
Ultimately, this is a failing of society as a whole to provide opportunities for this individual to better themselves.
What I hope I've demonstrated from the above examples is that everything needs to be considered on a case by case basis, and that there are no draconian policies that are equally applicable in every scenario.
> The folly of this logic becomes apparent when we see that not all video gamers kill
So is it ok that even a small handful of violent video gamers kill? Do you not think we could create video games that are non-violent but still fulfill the aggressive instinctual placations that the violent games appeal to?
> (the) decision to profess belief in the imaginary may, itself, be initially made under duress applied from family and society, but the act of genuinely accepting this belief as truth and perpetuating it through your actions is truly an exhibit of free choice and as such, believers should be held personally accountable.
I disagree. Unless there are alternatives to consider, many people will be unable to see through the very imposing and coercive tactics of religious recruitment. Please understand how sinister and evolved the tactics employed by religions are, and how it is virtually impossible for the uneducated to even begin to challenge notions of ethereal existence. Once they are addicted to the faith narcotic, few can retreat. There is no free will in that, no more than a heroin addict can believe he can build a life for himself outside of the addiction.
> isn't it fair and logical to accept that the same figure you use (99.9999999%) could have also been used by pre-Copernican scientists regarding the centrality of earth to the universe from their perspective of reality and based on their knowledge of science?
Absolutely. With the evidence they had to work with, their theories exactly matched their observations. This doesn't mean their theories were fact any more than our modern day theories are fact, it just simply means that, by definition, theories will match the observations of the time. What they thought was close to 100% true, ended up being largely false. As more evidence presents itself, theories will continue to evolve to match, but until we have more evidence, we'll never know just how close to 100% accurate our 'facts' really are. Reality definition is an ongoing process.
> Now you and I both know that Leprechauns were a creation of human minds, but how can we say with absolute certainty that they don't exist somewhere in spite of the overwhelming odds against it fully knowing that we must accept that the odds we use are limited by our incomplete knowledge of the universe?
I don't think there is any evidence to grant the existence of leprechauns anywhere near a 99.999999% likelihood of existence. That isn't to say that they don't exist, but the chances of them existing approach zero, and as such, they are easily dismissed as fiction.
> this argument certainly doesn't lend any credence to the belief in the existence of Leprechauns. Rather, it only points out that strong atheism, although based deeply in factual evidence, still requires a certain degree of faith that our current understanding of science has not emboldened us to make premature judgments as a result of incorrectly interpreting what we see as evidence. You cannot know what is not yet known, therefore Atheistically-leaning Agnosticism still makes the most sense to me.
I would argue that there is as little evidence to support the existence of ethereal beings as there are of Leprechauns, Tooth Fairies, Zeus, and the Easter Bunny, and as such are dismissible. It is not logical 'whatsoever' to leverage the incompleteness of science in order to introduce the possibility of a complex ethereal consciousness. This is not a scientific approach, it is merely the primordial steps toward the severely misguided notion of 'Intelligent Design'. Please recognize my friend, that your choice of agnosticism is simply a reflection of the intimidation religion imposes on you with threats of ethereal punishment, and of your fear of death manifesting into the false hope of immortality...and of all the people that have written me thus far, I know that 'you' are smart enough to recognize this.
> Interesting take on marriage! So, do you feel that humans are not naturally inclined to mate for life?
The instinctual cues that lend itself to pair-bonding, and the subsequent child-rearing, have a lifespan that is meaningful to a healthy family environment until the children are mature enough to survive on their own. Beyond this point, I believe that any relationship which persists would need a foundation in friendship, companionship, and familiarity, but will probably be lacking in the roaring youthful lust that initially drove the union together. Of course there will always be exceptions to the above but as a rule, the biological element wanes over time and any union that persists usually depends upon personality congruency. What often makes a lifetime commitment difficult and impractical is the inevitable altering in people's dispositions as time passes; and the personalities that may have existed to forge the relationship may evolve over a decade or two to no longer facilitate a happy communion.
All that I am striving to help people identify (and many people think I'm just flat-out against marriage, which I'm not) is that people change over time, and if either/both of you change in a way that the two of you are no longer compatible, accept it, and gracefully, respectfully, and without penalty, go your separate ways. That's what nature has defined for us so stop fighting it with nonsensical lifetime commitments. You can't predict what you'll be like in 20 years so don't make commitments on your future you's behalf that you have no right to impose on future you; for the future you is truly a different person.
> "I'm not interested anymore; take care!" If dedication to family is reduced to such a trivial manner, I fear it could have a devastating effect on the youth which already face increasing challenges and temptations.
Absolutely. I completely agree that a pair-bond should not be enacted lightly, and with the full intent of serving the term necessary to see the child-rearing obligations to its fruition. I merely suggest that beyond that obligation to your offspring, you are free to choose your path (which obviously includes staying with your mate if you so choose).
> (using the) military as an analogy. There are certainly times when soldiers would like to simply hang up their uniforms and walk away, but to do so would incur hefty punishments since they have all voluntarily signed contracts to serve a set number of years in defense of our government's policies.
This is a great example because it defines a 'set number of years', as opposed to a 'lifetime' contract that marriages define, which demonstrates my point precisely. Would you sign a lifetime agreement with the military? Of course not. Who would want their entire life to be defined for them without the possibility to pursue any unforeseen future opportunities that may present themselves?
> I am inclined to believe that we could completely satiate our human instinct for competition through athletics, contests of intellect, and other non-violent means.
I believe this as well. These instinctually-satiating outlets must be taught at a young age such that those individuals that would be Hitler, or Khan, would have those energies channeled at an early age into harmless but satisfying outlets.
> However, my study of history and, to a greater extent, my first-hand experience has shown me otherwise to the point where I now fear that as long as there is testosterone, there will be armed conflict. Simply put, I am not confident that the masses will ever be mentally advanced enough to overcome their innate ego-driven desire to resort to force as a means to their ends even if religion is abandoned.
Sad, but true. Religion is merely a tool that higher orders use to manipulate, and to harvest the resources of the masses. The reason for the utilization of this tool remains even with the eradication of religion; conquest is as old as humanity. In my book, Meme, I describe a myriad of ways to define meaningful purpose and healthy pursuits that can feed the instincts (the path to true happiness), and in order to have a global peaceful society, all people must be educated in how to peacefully achieve these goals, otherwise they will be left to their raw instinctual cues and most of these cues lead to very destructive consequences on colossal scales.
> First, you could find a way to better organize, by topic, the weblog pages.
Oh to have the time...
> Second, you ought to consider naming the Earian deity
Interesting. Never felt that was important, but I'll try to come up with something.
Please be safe my friend. I, and I'm sure all my readers, wish a safe return for you and your brothers and sisters at war.
Much respect,
Sean Sinjin
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